tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post6251920865269379734..comments2024-02-27T01:17:39.925-08:00Comments on The Nine and Thirty Kingdoms: Books from AboveTalysmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-83118522291203590942013-12-18T01:03:47.353-08:002013-12-18T01:03:47.353-08:00You get up on a tall mountain, and you get a stone...You get up on a tall mountain, and you get a stone tablet for each spell. Better bring a big backpack...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05627663083903072022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-13652190459119177422013-12-17T21:01:15.874-08:002013-12-17T21:01:15.874-08:00How about making the cleric essentially a magic-us...How about making the cleric essentially a magic-user but one whose "source of power" has a veto right? So clerics have to "research" the "miracles" they want to perform by finding them in old texts and translating them into "modern language" and whatnot, and if their "god" likes them those "miracles" actually happen. A well-played cleric will presumably never have a problem in that department, so really you're just making them magic-users with a slightly different back-story and spell-selection. That's certainly a way to remove Delta's complaint about "new" cleric spells suddenly becoming available to all clerics. (And it's in fact roughly how I handle clerics in my game.)Peter Fröhlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03688076015831464616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-31892742604275709782013-12-17T19:00:20.717-08:002013-12-17T19:00:20.717-08:00Perhaps they need to study the "Book of Spell...Perhaps they need to study the "Book of Spells" to learn the ritual to begin with, but once they've mastered it, they can simply perform the ritual and gain the spell divinely.Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-51311239604544071922013-12-15T07:50:08.401-08:002013-12-15T07:50:08.401-08:00I think this precision came in Greyhawk because th...I think this precision came in <i>Greyhawk</i> because the same supplement gave us the "% to learn" spells for Magic-users, and the author felt that it was necessary to clarify the point that Clerics were not expected to "learn" their spelle the way MU did.<br />In other terms: the wizard must rely on his own intelligence to acquire the power to cast the spells written in his book (i-e to "learn" them) , but the cleric is imbued with the power to cast any spell ("miracle" ) written in his sellbook ("breviary"/"holy book") by the only virtue of being a priest. <br />porphyre77https://www.blogger.com/profile/07620350717226228078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-17964934239126059622013-12-14T19:25:28.203-08:002013-12-14T19:25:28.203-08:00If the real model of the cleric was, "origina...If the real model of the cleric was, "originally" a Christian (and medieval Christian) cleric, then even calling it a "spell" doesn't make a lot of sense. I like the other comments so far. They could be "sacraments," "mysteries," prayers," "blessings," "curses," "exorcisms," and the like. It is God who grants the miracle: the Christian cleric doesn't perform miracles. But I suppose "miracle," should be the generic term to cover all those things, rather than spells. And my long list represents the thing the Christian cleric performs by which his God promises always to provide said miracle.<br /><br />Now, if it is pagan clerics, well, I don't know. But it still isn't really "anything goes." Pagan gods are more, not less, nit-picky about how they are worshipped than the Christian God!Tetramorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253316716885460459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-22892492067409332082013-12-14T07:48:23.596-08:002013-12-14T07:48:23.596-08:00Bibles, prayer books and so on. They need to stud...Bibles, prayer books and so on. They need to study the religious texts of their order to learn what miracles they might become cable of, but they'd certainly still need to spend time each morning in prayer and contemplation to be granted the power to cast those spells.Reese Laundryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02225208626688676372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-17224030901642542972013-12-13T21:53:18.138-08:002013-12-13T21:53:18.138-08:00Probably something similar to Gwydion's sugges...Probably something similar to Gwydion's suggestion, though making them something other than simply a spell book isn't necessary. I could imagine a world where clerics aren't praying for God to grant them spells. Rather, they are already given to the world. The cleric is merely tapping into the divine power around him. Doing so works much like the magic-user's spellcasting (hence the need for spell books), but divine spells are simpler, so there are no percentage chances for learning or maximum numbers of spells per level<br /><br />This has me reconsidering some changes I've been planning for the cleric, but that's more due to my worries I've gone too far astrayHolly Oatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01703437987958922954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-82664332259718497872013-12-13T17:59:43.263-08:002013-12-13T17:59:43.263-08:00Easy. They have a bible, sutras, eddas, or other ...Easy. They have a bible, sutras, eddas, or other mystical holy texts that they need to read over in order to "prepare" their spells. Need to part the waters? Meditate on the story of Exodus. Need to turn harmless plants into missile weapons? Focus on the story of Baldr's death by mistletoe. (For example only, no need to use actual world religious texts in game, of course). <br /><br />The books/scrolls/whatever are not spellbooks in the same sense as with magic users, but you get the same effect while still having the powers be divinely granted. And as the Cleric rises in power, the church grants access to more "mysteries" so that the Cleric can get higher level spells out of those holy books.Dennis Laffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03053699552003336733noreply@blogger.com