tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post2642554962148797277..comments2024-02-27T01:17:39.925-08:00Comments on The Nine and Thirty Kingdoms: Why Illusions Are SimpleTalysmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-85397481138569496452012-09-08T20:40:47.215-07:002012-09-08T20:40:47.215-07:00I guess I should make it clearer that I'm agre...I guess I should make it clearer that I'm agreeing. I don't remember there being a saving throw or other roll to disbelieve in the first few AD&D books, but it definitely showed up before the publication of 2e.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-55423019023867069762012-09-08T15:11:58.276-07:002012-09-08T15:11:58.276-07:00I don't even think it was phrased that way in ...I don't even think it was phrased that way in the first AD&D publications. It sort of crept in slowly, under the influence of TFT, possibly.<br /><br />Disbelief should definitely be more like "Wait a minute! Where'd he find a gorilla?" and less like "LA LA LA! THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!"Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-71232107463276591542012-09-08T15:08:42.014-07:002012-09-08T15:08:42.014-07:00It's a question of "simple contact" ...It's a question of "simple contact" vs. "attempt to interact". I used to side with simple contact and no splitting of illusions, so I would have rules the same thing as you for the phantom bowman. Then I decided less substantial effects, like dragon fire, would be exempt. But given the fact that Phantasmal Forces originally referred to *military* forces, I restrict "dispel by touch" to deliberate actions by characters. It's easier that way, anyways.<br /><br />But it doesn't matter which interpretation you chose, as long as it makes sense to you and you're willing to stick with it.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-21746591295047939502012-09-08T11:36:49.861-07:002012-09-08T11:36:49.861-07:00"I disbelieve!" is my least favorite par..."I disbelieve!" is my least favorite part of AD&D illusions.Roger G-Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594440701279968693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-8569569146247737912012-09-08T10:56:41.641-07:002012-09-08T10:56:41.641-07:00Point 3: I don't see how the illusion touching...Point 3: I don't see how the illusion touching the person can be any different that the person touching the illusion: each is simultaneous contact between the two. It seems to me that if you made, say, an illusion of an archer firing arrows at someone, and the illusionary arrow hit that person, the entire illusion would disappear because part of the illusion was touched by a living creature. Same with Dragon Breath. Now you could distinguish between living flesh and clothing/weapon/armor etc.Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.com