tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post8652928673805480713..comments2024-02-27T01:17:39.925-08:00Comments on The Nine and Thirty Kingdoms: Two Attacks, One RoundTalysmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-65642131072384749212012-07-08T16:29:28.064-07:002012-07-08T16:29:28.064-07:00Also: did you read the other recent combat mod pos...Also: <a href="http://9and30kingdoms.blogspot.com/2012/06/simple-weapon-adjustments.html" rel="nofollow">did you read the other recent combat mod post I did?</a> Keep in mind I'm talking about the dagger wielder going second on round 2, but your poleaxe wielder has a +6 to hit.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-67201499957275472442012-07-08T16:09:53.873-07:002012-07-08T16:09:53.873-07:00What I'm saying though, is: if you have a dagg...What I'm saying though, is: if you have a dagger and I have a poleaxe, you are going to grapple. Other way around, and you will try to keep me at a distance. And if I have two friends, also armed with daggers, you may not be able to keep all of us at bay. No weapon or technique is foolproof.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-61037422263202200242012-07-08T14:00:51.626-07:002012-07-08T14:00:51.626-07:00Bringing pikes in muddies the issue, to be sure. B...Bringing pikes in muddies the issue, to be sure. But I'm talking about something like a 6-foot spear or a 6-foot poleaxe. Or a longsword. Not a 12-15ft pike.<br /><br />The crux of my point is, if you're fighting with a dagger, and I have a sword, you're in trouble. If you have a dagger and I have a poleaxe, you're in trouble. Even if you're faster than me. Until we're grappling, my reach is an advantage.Charles Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00941603544547428940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-73605747736076291522012-07-08T11:15:22.647-07:002012-07-08T11:15:22.647-07:00The "longer weapon first on first round"...The "longer weapon first on first round" answers your first objection, I think. Remember, though, that this post is specifically about getting a second attack roll, not about who goes first. The idea of pikemen being blurringly fast in close combat seems a little extreme.<br /><br />As for first strike, in general highest Dex gets it (that's what's in the linked post.) Weapon length modifies this, but isn't full-proof. If two opponents of equal Dex fight, however, the longer weapon will probably get the first strike on the first round, and the shorter weapon will get first strike on following rounds, because yeah, combatants will do their best to stay at their optimum range -- even the guy with the dagger. If the guy with the sword is faster, <a href="http://9and30kingdoms.blogspot.com/2012/06/bobbing-and-weaving.html" rel="nofollow">he can try to exploit the differences in speed and weapon length</a>.<br /><br />Longer isn't always better. If it were, then knights would have only trained on the best weapon they could get, and would have only carried that weapon.Talysmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162328521343832412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7239577512598038009.post-9157399069886971742012-07-08T02:39:22.354-07:002012-07-08T02:39:22.354-07:00Watching people fight with polearms, they're n...Watching people fight with polearms, they're not particularly slow... In fact, because you can use the head, the butt, and the shaft, they are actually very fast for follow-up attacks in a 1-on-1 (as opposed to formation) battle.<br /><br />I would say someone with a dagger attacking someone with a poleaxe would have to endure 1 or 2 attacks before even being in range, and would still be vulnerable to attacks with the shaft.<br /><br />The whole notion of longer weapons being slower doesn't hold much water - the reach lets them strike first, and they are not significantly slower to swing. The necessity of closing more range with the dagger eats up more time than the increased swinging time of a longer weapon.<br /><br />Also, the idea you posted about previously of longer weapons going first, and then shorter weapons going first in later rounds also doesn't really match up with what I've seen. Combatants will do their best to stay at their optimum range. Every time the guy with the dagger moves forward, the guy with the sword or polearm is going to circle outwards to maintain range (if possible). Until you're into grappling (where a sword is not very useful) or if you're backed into a corner, the sword is going to have an opportunity to strike first every time vs. the dagger, because the swordsman would never let the daggerman stay at that short range - it's foolish.<br /><br />In real life, longer weapons are pretty much always better. They have the reach, and the power. They defend you better, they threaten more space, and they do more damage.<br /><br />If your goal is to balance daggers for gameplay reasons, then ignore everything I just said! Otherwise, I think you're nerfing longer, larger weapons unduly.Charles Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00941603544547428940noreply@blogger.com